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GERRY CREAGER's avatar

@Katelyn, a couple of thoughts and a couple requests.

Requests first: Do you have any citations I can snag on immune coverage for BA.2 derived from natural infection from BA.1? I've read several studies that I interpret in one manner but a JHU Public Health On Call podcast and their expert in that interview interpreted things differently. I'm also interested in any of the other Israeli studies on 4th-dose effect, as I recently saw one where they appeared to determine that a 2nd boost of Pfizer provided little benefit in young healthcare workers.

And, thoughts.

- Are we solely worried about circulating neutralizing antibodies, or have we settled on this because IgG is easier for the public to understand? What happened to B- and T-cell immunity and training the cellular immune system as a longer-term solution to the problem? I submit we can't keep up the cycle of repeat vaccination to maintain circulating immunity, especially now that we're seeing pharmacologic treatments that can be used without hospitalization in symptomatic individuals successfully

- The recent look at immunity afforded neonates via maternal immune response to infection as well as vaccination was interesting, especially a side note that most of the antibody response across the placenta was IgA vs IgG. I'm looking forward to the IgA -inducing vaccines.

- I continue convinced that our initial strategy of 2nd doses within 30 days of first doses of the initial dose for mRNA and likely adjuvant-vector vaccines was a shotgun approach to rapidly running up circulating IgG but failed to provide adequate time to "train" the cellular system, and failed to prime the humeral system for longer-term of circulating antibodies specific to the vaccine. Perhaps this is 20/20 hindsight but I wish we could have used a longer interval. I am now suspicious that our rapid waning of boosting doses was due that initial dosing regimen, and that we'd have seen something different if we'd been able to do second mRNA doses at 60 or 90 day intervals. Of course, it's been a long time since my immunology course work... but I'm trying to catch up.

- The issue with trying to come up with responsive variant-specific vaccines is the time it takes to ramp up production after you have a sequence. And anticipatory mRNA entries are likely to be wrong, driving up costs. In other words, we can create a new vaccine responsive to a new variant after A) the variant is identified, B) the variant is determined to be significant ("of concern" or "of high concern"), C) the variant is sequenced and the sequence distributed. Because we generally look at the Spike protein, we know where to go for changes but evaluating which of the myriad changes are significant is tedious. Almost easier to create a new mRNA responsive vaccine to the new S1/RBD elements than to try to determine which ones are at issue for vaccine evasion, transmission improvement or invoking serious disease, but inefficient in that a shotgun approach isn't enduring.

Thanks, as usual, for the update and assembling so much information in one spot.

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Michael DAmbrosio's avatar

Any idea why Israel all-cause mortality has been so high in 2022 so far? This is not a backhanded diss at the 4th shot - I am curious if you are aware of anything causing their deaths to be so highly elevated (I'm not seeing this trend in other countries).

Their excess deaths are incredibly high given the data we have from mortality.org (it lags quite a bit, so only have complete view of January and most of February, but expect weeks 6-8 to continue to rise as back-dated data comes in). They typically average 970 deaths/week with previous peaks as high as 1100-1200... yet now seeing upwards of 1300-1500 deaths/week.

Screenshot of total deaths per week: https://imgur.com/a/XVeWwgf

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