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Madhava Setty, MD's avatar

I do not agree with your dismissal of Dr. Ladapo's concerns around the potential dangers of the mRNA products. This is a complex issue which requires a much more thorough analysis than you have presented.

1) The quantity of DNA fragments deemed acceptable is based on traditional vaccines which are not encapsulated in LNPs which are specifically designed to protect the encapsulated mRNA (and the trace DNA contaminants) until they can enter a host cell's cytosol. In other words the risk of these DNA contaminants are greater when they are encapsulated inside the lipid delivery mechanism. Yet the FDA has not modified their assessment of risk accordingly. It is illogical to compare mRNA inside of LNPs with traditional vaccines.

2) Ladapo is NOT claiming that these products WILL result in the integration of said fragments into our genome. He is merely asking for evidence that they WON'T. Citing genotoxicy studies isn't, as he says, adequate to ensure this is may not be happening on a small scale.

3) Your statement "It is biologically impossible for random DNA fragments to integrate into our genes" is not substantiated by the arguments given. In fact it contradicts Dr. Marks' assurance that it is "implausible". There is a world of difference between impossible and implausible, especially given the fact that billions of people have been vaccinated. The reason why Dr. Marks has a tempered position is that he knows that FDA's own guidance around DNA vaccines acknowledges that integration is a possibility even though DNA vaccines do not have DNA integrase in them either. The fact that contaminant DNA "lacks stability" does not mean that none will survive long enough to be integrated.

4) This leads to your position about "billions" being relatively tiny compared to "trillions". No argument there. But a billion is a big number on its own, especially with regard to "implausibility". If only one in a million DNA contaminant strands get integrated that would result in thousands of cells with altered DNA.

5) We all agree that LNPs go places outside of the deltoid muscle. The bio distribution study you cite indicates that 0.1% get to the ovaries and testes. Is that really trivial? At what level would it be non-trivial in your opinion? Two points about this. The levels in the ovaries attained that concentration after 48 hours. Levels were still rising when the observational period ended. We don't know how much eventually ends up there. Moreover, this study was only made public after a FOIA request to the Japanese medical authorities in the Spring of 2021. Why didn't the FDA know about it? Isn't it their job to demand these studies from the vaccine manufacturers? How many people would have had second thoughts about getting jabbed if they knew that a small portion of the inoculate would migrate to the spleen, the liver, the heart, the ovaries and the brain? Would their concerns have been reasonable?

6) The lipid nanoparticles aren't just little bubbles of fat. The design of these particles is one of the major breakthroughs in bringing these products to market. They are designed differently depending on the payload being delivered. Medicine in the form of cancer therapy will be encapsulated in a different kind of "bubble" than an mRNA vaccine. The LNPs for these vaccines are designed to be pro inflammatory to incite an immunologic response. It should be of some embarrassment to the FDA that the bio distribution studies show that these things go all over the place, albeit in limited quantities. That being the case, one cannot dismiss the possibility that these particles could be responsible for organ inflammation in the form of irregular menses, myo/pericarditis, bells palsy, transverse myelitis, etc. etc. in a small subset of vaccine recipients. Given the fact that a quarter of a billion people in this country have gotten the vaccine that the three hundred thousand serious adverse events reported in VAERS may be due to the vaccine? Shouldn't we expect the CDC to do a serious investigation into these reports on behalf of the public?

7) 8,288 Floridians have lost their life to Covid-19? Your citation does not indicate the vaccination status of those fatalities. Are you suggesting that they were all unvaccinated? What exactly are you insinuating here? That Ladapo is somehow responsible for their deaths? He didn't prohibit people from getting the jab. 70% of Floridians are fully vaccinated.

There's a lot more we don't know about this technology. Posts like this do not aid in discovering more. mRNA technology could eventually be a transformative weapon against disease and infection but right now the public doesn't trust it, and for good reason. By dismissing reasonable requests for more information in this fashion you are unwittingly doing far more damage than you realize.

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John F. Rubin, M.D., F.A.C.P.'s avatar

Thank you very much for an excellent analysis and response to more misinformation from Florida. Unfortunately, Ladapo's statement already hit the national press and was widely reported. This article needs to be sent to the news media so they can report the truth.

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