Why are we not seeing reinfection statistics? We have been seeing comparisons between the recovered vaccinated vs recovered unvaccinated. But have seen nothing of unvaccinated reinfection vs. vaccinated breakthrough cases with both case numbers or hospitalizations/deaths. We know that antibodies are not the only indicator of immunity, and yet, scientists are using antibody studies to dictate who is protected and who is not. The chart above from the UK shows that reinfection with delta vs. alpha was 1% of cases vs 0.2% of cases, that seems like it is less than breakthrough cases with the vaccine. Additionally, including a study looking at 5 patients in a skilled nursing facility is not a reliable study to support anything. The scientific community is not providing enough data about reinfection, and those who are supporting that vaccines are more comprehensive than natural immunity with subpar data ie. only looking at antibody response, using small studies (of 5 people) are perpetuating theories based on lacking info.
i agree with this. and while this kentucky study has widely been quoted, it seems really thin to me. from reading the study, i couldn’t even tell how many people were reinfected and how mild or severe their illness was. also, it’s a 2 month study. while not dismissing it completely, i’m more inclined to trust the Cleveland Clinic study which looked at 52,000 employees over a 10 month period and found NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REINFECTION RATES FOR THOSE WHO HAD RECOVERED AND BEEN VACCINATED AND THOSE WHO HAD RECOVERED AND NOT BEEN VACCINATED. the study also ends in June 2021. neither study addresses Delta.
i’ve seen literally nothing on the reinfection rates with Delta. zip.
This doesn’t address Delta either, but supports natural immunity. It is infuriating to me that there is no data coming out about reinfections with delta, and that the scientific community keeps perpetuating that vaccinations is better protection when the data is really not there to support this. I do think of reinfection was happening, the media and scientific community would be shouting it from the rooftops and we would all be very aware.
First, thank you thank you thank you for all you do. I read all your posts and point everyone I know to you. I jumped on to substack to specifically ask a question about reinfection only to find it was your post today. Sadly, my kids are both infected with covid despite masking everywhere we've gone all summer long (we live in Texas). I was hoping we could get a brief reprieve once we're out of quarantine and let them do things we haven't been doing for the last 1.5 years. I'm in literal tears that this isn't the case. But I'm also feeling so much better about switching them last minute to a school that follows CDC guidelines on masking (they showed their first symptoms of covid 1 day after I made the switch official).
I have been trying to convince my vaccine skeptic brother to get vaccinated and your newsletter is an invaluable resource, thank you! However, he noted after I sent him a link to this posting that if you look at page 19 of the Public Health of England technical bulletin that you linked to the number of deaths in vaccinated individuals was lower than that of unvaccinated individuals, despite there being more unvaccinated cases. Is there anything substantial to counter these numbers that I can direct him to?
Sorry I stated this incorrectly. Number of deaths in unvaccinated individuals (165) was lower than that of fully vaccinated individuals (224) despite there being 119,063 cases in the unvaccinated and 15,346 cases of delta in fully vaccinated individuals.
Why are we not seeing reinfection statistics? We have been seeing comparisons between the recovered vaccinated vs recovered unvaccinated. But have seen nothing of unvaccinated reinfection vs. vaccinated breakthrough cases with both case numbers or hospitalizations/deaths. We know that antibodies are not the only indicator of immunity, and yet, scientists are using antibody studies to dictate who is protected and who is not. The chart above from the UK shows that reinfection with delta vs. alpha was 1% of cases vs 0.2% of cases, that seems like it is less than breakthrough cases with the vaccine. Additionally, including a study looking at 5 patients in a skilled nursing facility is not a reliable study to support anything. The scientific community is not providing enough data about reinfection, and those who are supporting that vaccines are more comprehensive than natural immunity with subpar data ie. only looking at antibody response, using small studies (of 5 people) are perpetuating theories based on lacking info.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4
i agree with this. and while this kentucky study has widely been quoted, it seems really thin to me. from reading the study, i couldn’t even tell how many people were reinfected and how mild or severe their illness was. also, it’s a 2 month study. while not dismissing it completely, i’m more inclined to trust the Cleveland Clinic study which looked at 52,000 employees over a 10 month period and found NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REINFECTION RATES FOR THOSE WHO HAD RECOVERED AND BEEN VACCINATED AND THOSE WHO HAD RECOVERED AND NOT BEEN VACCINATED. the study also ends in June 2021. neither study addresses Delta.
i’ve seen literally nothing on the reinfection rates with Delta. zip.
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00203-2#relatedArticles
This doesn’t address Delta either, but supports natural immunity. It is infuriating to me that there is no data coming out about reinfections with delta, and that the scientific community keeps perpetuating that vaccinations is better protection when the data is really not there to support this. I do think of reinfection was happening, the media and scientific community would be shouting it from the rooftops and we would all be very aware.
First, thank you thank you thank you for all you do. I read all your posts and point everyone I know to you. I jumped on to substack to specifically ask a question about reinfection only to find it was your post today. Sadly, my kids are both infected with covid despite masking everywhere we've gone all summer long (we live in Texas). I was hoping we could get a brief reprieve once we're out of quarantine and let them do things we haven't been doing for the last 1.5 years. I'm in literal tears that this isn't the case. But I'm also feeling so much better about switching them last minute to a school that follows CDC guidelines on masking (they showed their first symptoms of covid 1 day after I made the switch official).
I have been trying to convince my vaccine skeptic brother to get vaccinated and your newsletter is an invaluable resource, thank you! However, he noted after I sent him a link to this posting that if you look at page 19 of the Public Health of England technical bulletin that you linked to the number of deaths in vaccinated individuals was lower than that of unvaccinated individuals, despite there being more unvaccinated cases. Is there anything substantial to counter these numbers that I can direct him to?
Sorry I stated this incorrectly. Number of deaths in unvaccinated individuals (165) was lower than that of fully vaccinated individuals (224) despite there being 119,063 cases in the unvaccinated and 15,346 cases of delta in fully vaccinated individuals.